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of january's big tax hikes, companies and investors are cashing out, including one of president obama's biggest supporters. plus as susan rice makes the rounds on capitol hill, we will look at what could make up the national security team in president obama's second term. >> i am ready and willing and able and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so american families, american businesses have some certainty going into next year. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it, and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul. not exactly a meeting of the minds this week between president obama and house speaker john boehner on just where talks to end the fiscal showdown stand. the president, for his part, took his case to the public and repeated his call for a tax hike on upper income americans but made little mention of cuts to entitlement s
.o.p. lawmakers to accepting the tax hikes now. >> i miss visiting towns like this. >> president obama got his wish, rather than negotiating with republicans he was hamering them. back on the campaign trail in a factory that makes angry bird toys. >> it's not accept to believe me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want the tax rates on the upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes, john boehner fired back the talks are on life support. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> boehner ripped the president for sending treasury secretary ti tim geithner to capitol hill with a proposal that led mitch mcconnell literally burst out laughing. >> the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of proposal. and much to my disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >> their beef is the president campaigned on $800 billion in tax increases by ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. but is now proposing double that. $1.6 trillion. by adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. plus, the white house wants
the president's deal on taxes. house speaker, john boehner, is not happy. >> hell, no, you can't. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000.
the deadlines we're facing on taxes and deficits. these deadlines are going to be coming up very soon in the coming weeks. but today's important because i want to make sure everybody understands this debate is not just about numbers. it's a set of major decisions that are going to affect millions of families all across this country in very significant ways. and their voices, the voices of the american people, have to be part of this debate. and so i asked some friends of mine here to join me, some folks from here in the area. our ultimate goal is an agreement that gets our long-term deficit under control in a way that is fair and balanced. that kind of agreement would be good for our businesses, it would be good for our economy, it would be good for our children's future. and i believe that both parties can agree on a framework that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. but -- the place where we already have in theory at least complete agreement, right now, is on middle-class taxes. and as i've said before, we have two choices. if congre
boehner told the president to leave the tax cuts for the rich alone. the president says he doesn't want to do that. he's going to stick with his plan to raise $1.6 billion in revenue and if republicans have something better they should be specific now. eric cantor said republicans are already going further than they did in the same spot in 2010. >> we have done our part. we have put revenues on the table, something we didn't do two years ago during the debt ceiling negotiations. >> we've seen some positive developments in the last several weeks, in terms of what republicans have been saying about the need for revenue as part of a balanced package. the president will continue to make the case that that is essential. >> reporter: so both sides saying revenue is on the table, now the fight is obviously to figure out where it's going to come from, how the government is going to make more money. democrats want it to come from increased tax rates on the rich, republicans would prefer to make that extra money by reforming the tax code and entitlements. bill: how is the president trying to rall
's big tax hikes, companies and investors are cashing out. including one of president obama's biggest supporters. plus, as susan rice makes the rounds on capitol hill, we'll look at who could make up the national security team in president obama's second term. ♪ >> i am ready and able and willing and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so that american families, american businesses, have some certainty going into next year. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and i'm disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal c
at the top, the 2%, are safe. your bush tax cuts are going to keep on giving. one problem, mr. boehner, you lost. that was your position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john boehner is doing right now, and he lost. how about some respect for the electorate? how about seeing what the 2012 presidential debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, he's not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thought here. the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john bo
company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to for you republicans to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want rates on upper folks to go up. >> john boehner scheduled a last minute news conference. fired back with this. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. >> as the rhetoric heats up, the clock continues to tick down. after today, there are just ten legislative days on the calendar. the house announced they will be recessing one day early next would he week. joining me now from the white house, white house correspondent kristen welker. what's the latest from 1600 pennsylvania? >> well, good afternoon, craig. as you can see the holiday decorations are going up here at the white house. but it doesn't seem like anyone is in the holiday
. president obama with a big kind of pep rally at the white house to push those tax cuts for the middle class and republicans on capitol hill saying no, no, no, we hate the middle class. come on. let's give tax cuts to the rich! the millionaires and the billionaires, to the koch brothers and donald trump. we'll bring you up to date and give you a chance to sound off on the issues which i know you can't wait to do. you can do it by giving us a call at 1-866-55-press. you can join the conversation on twitter at bpshow on facebook, facebook.com/billpressshow. and if you really want to get into it with your fellow "full court pressers," go into the chat room. try it out. it is a lot of fun. go to current.com and click on the chat room and you are in! here we are. lucky day. thursday november 29 for somebody. >> it wasn't that lucky. you're still here. peter ogborn and dan henning good morning guys. leading team press with phil backert and cyprian bowlding. cyprian and i had our powerball tickets. we were ready, we were
, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher r
boehner knows that the president is right on taxes. he knows it, but he's afraid to say that now, so he's sending one of his loyal soldiers out there to say it for him. >> there may be a debate over whether it's a cliff or curb. >> bump in the road. >> the curve of a mole hill. >> but there is one indes putable fact. >> the fact is definitely ticking. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious. >> i got a pen. i'm ready to sign it. >> some signs of compromise. >> congressman tom cole urged his colleagues to get in line behind president obama. >> that's just silly. >> scared me a little bit. >> i told tom earlier that i disagreed with him. >> shame on him. >> why would you do that? it's like selling your soul. >> i hope his wife understands. >> he brought my wife into it? he's never met me, my wife. >> his wife. >> some of these people have had impure thoughts? >> do you have any impure thoughts about grover norquist? >> it is not about that pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i will violate the pledge. >> deja vu all over again. >> he will be irrelevant. >> with
. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democrats are determined to extend the middle class tax cuts before the end of the year. that's the bottom line. party leaders and members are all on the same page. president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is not serious. >> math. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. that's why romney couldn't explain it during the presidential election. no one can explain it because you can't do it. >> jay carney says the speaker's plans raises more questions than answers. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's m
to go until all of us are hit with tax increases, takes it across the board a cut of $55 billion. people have it in their power to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff aren't negotiating, they're not debating right now, so many of them simply leaving town. but there's more going on than meets the eye. let's bring in our senior congressional correspondent dana basch, she has the latest. >> reporter: there's so much political theater around here right now, you could say tickets. one of today's acts was the house leaving. lawmakers streaming out of the capitol hill, racing to their cars to get to the airport and go home. it's a scene you usually see on a thursday afternoon or friday morning, not wednesday at noon. >> good morning. >> house republican leaders told members they're free to leave, because they have nothing to vote on. >> i understand that you are saying legislation has been put on the floor. when it comes to just pure optics of the house leaving with the fiscal cliff right in front of us -- >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get se
be breaking down in washington's effort to head off a series of automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that will hit americans hard in the new year unless something is done to stop it. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. treasury secretary timothy geithner headed to capitol hill today, in fact, he's still there, meeting with congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle. but after his sit-down with the speaker of the house, john boehner, mr. speaker boehner came out and told reporter that is the treasury secretary offered no new substantive plan and would not address the issue of spending cuts at all. as we reported on this show yesterday, it is no longer clear that the white house even wants spending cuts in this initial deal. it wants solely tax hikes, or at least that's all that it's been talking about x that now -- that dichotomy -- is becoming a big issue. here's the speaker. >> two weeks ago we had a very productive conversation at the white house. but based on where we stand today, i would say two things. first, despite the claims that the president supports
is very important. we're trying not just to prevent a tax increase on 98% of americans, we're trying to go beyond that's going to be good for the long term american economy. >> but you said you're getting closer, they're saying you're getting much farther apart. they say that this is not a serious proposal. >> we have a very good plan. we have a very good mix of tax reforms that raise a modest amount of revenues on the wealthy 2% of americans. combined with very comprehensive, very detailed savings that get us back to the point where the debt is stable and favorable. if we can do that carefully, we can invest in things to make america stronger. we can rebuild infrastructure. we think those are good investments in america and we think we can afford them. >> let's look at an outline of what republicans said they heard in the meeting. $1.6 trillion in tax increases over the next ten years. $50 billion in stimulus spending right now. $400 billion in unspecified medicare cuts. over the next ten years. and then, permanent authority to increase the debt limit the president wants that authority. t
way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. with us on set, economic analyst steve rattner. also political editor and white house correspond
this morning surrounded by, quote, middle class americans who will see their taxes go up if no deal is done. he'll sit down with more than a dozen ceos hater today including several who were prominent supporters of mitt romney. the white house even has a new hash tag called #pound#my2k. i asked jay carney whether this is just a game of running out the clock until the real negotiations begin in late december. is everything just killing time until the deadline comes? >> no. >> it seems everybody -- >> it doesn't feel like killing time. >> killing time until the final week and the jet fumes of the airport and then everybody will sit down and hammer this out. >> well, look, here's a fact, the president has on the table a proposal that reduces the deficit by $4 trillion. that is substance. so he has not waited for people to start smelling the jet fumes at national airport. he has actively put forward a plan. >> the white house and republicans are ramping up their pr, something significant is happening behind the scenes. both sides appear to be preparing their own basis to eat their vegetables, if yo
the bush tax cuts for the middle class. the latest from stephanie cutter includes a two-minute video reminding voters that the president campaign and won on that same platform. >> obama: we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. >> the administration is still asking you to send in stories about what being able to keep about $2,000 more a year means to you and your family. the president is planning to meet with state governors this week and the business roundtable, a big business lobbying group. this morning fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be at a stand still. treasury secretary tim geithner says the president's offer is unwavering. we're going to let tax rates go up for top earners and republicans will have to work with that reality. >> there is no responsible way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations. those rates are going to ha
is that revenue going to come from? >> increasing tax rates is going to harm economic growth. >> warren buffett was out this morning talking about tacking the wealthy. >> time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would
taxes from going up. and asking the public for help in getting through to the ones he sees as naughty. the historic vote at the u.n. puts palestinian hopes for statehood back in the headlines. but will it bring their dream any closer to reality? i'll ask the palestinian prime minister. and if pictures don't lie, you may be watching a power ball winner learning the good news. but who is he? wolf blitzer's off. i'm joe johns. you're in "the situation room." >>> republicans and democrats now have just 32 days to make a deal or your taxes are going up and more than $1 trillion automatically will be cut from vital federal programs like defense, education and housing assistance. as referred to as the fiscal cliff. and when it comes to doing something to avoid it, house speaker john boehner bluntly told reporters today, there is a stalemate. for his part, president obama is trying to break that stalemate by asking voters to put more pressure on the republicans. cnn chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and chief political correspondent gloria borger join us right now. gloria, guess
class taxes low, but will congress go along with higher taxes for the rich? plus, a long secret u.s. plan, get this, to explode an atomic bomb on the moon. what were they thinking? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> today we may be at the tipping point for one of the most important decisions president obama needs to make as he begins his second term. on capitol hill republicans including moderate republicans are sending the president a clear warning, don't nominate susan rice to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state. rice is the current u.s. ambassador to the united nations. she spent a second day meeting with senators trying to explain some of her inaccurate comments she made after the september 11th terrorist attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. cnn's senior congressional correspondent dana bash is joining us now from capitol hill with the very latest. what happened today, dana? >> reporter: wolf, it was one thing for susan rice to be criticized harshly yesterday by the three republicans she met with because they had been among her harshest
time ago saying he'll answer questions about the cliff, his proposal and pending tax hikes on the official white house twitter feed. press secretary jay carney insisted the white house is still optimistic it can reach a deal with congressional republicans. >> there has been progress, and we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2%. >> and there are just 29 days to go for the two parties to find some sort of middle ground, and joining me now from the white house nbc news correspondent kristen welker. what's the back story on this it twitter q and a for the president, which should start any minute now? >> reporter: that's right. this is part of president obama's full court press to get the public on board to pressure republicans to sign on to his plan to increase taxes for those making $250,000 or more. he had his first twitter town hall in 2011 when he answered questions about jobs and the
remains in the house of representatives, a majority sent there to cult spending and impose his tax hikes. all of this has a growing number of lawmakers now openly suggesting that the country may see -- the president may secretly want the country to fall off the fiscal cliff. earlier today our hannity cameras caught up with a senator from wisconsin on capitol hill. >> it's increasingly clear to me that the president is very willing to go over the cliff. i think he ought to be spending more time listening and less time lecturing. the president seems to be just fixated on increasing tax rates even though they may hurt the economy and i'm concerned if we go over the cliff, that what we're going to see is unemployment back above 9% and we'll see, you know, a country where we're in a second recession. >> all right. the senator is absolutely right. what we heard from president in recent days amounts to nothing more than con descending lectures. in fact, he sounds like the same hyperpartisan canada that we saw on the campaign trail, you know, the one that worked tire leslie to demonize success.
tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let the tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> the republicans call this a bait and switch. >> alisyn: we'll debate. >> dave: one massachusetts town rolling out the welcome mat to long islanders for christmas tree lighting after the they refused to budge on the holiday event. the p.c. please. >> should you tip your garbage collector or how about your child's teacher? we have tips for tipping or the barista at starbucks. >> dave: no! sorry, ladies and gentlemen. >> "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> are you supposed to tip the teacher. >> dave: some are, some are not. >> you want to err on the side of tipping and is it too much. do you tip the garbage man or the postal employee. you leave a bunt cake outside. >> alisyn: yes, money. they want money. >> dave: we'll get into it later, but it's tough because it used to be you tip someone for extraordinary service. >> alisyn: right. >> dave: now you just tip someone please. >> alisyn: so they don't egg your house, that's why you're tipping. >> and go to ff weekend and fire it
fight continuing. he split with his party on taxes. what is republican tomb cole saying now? first as john boehner look lights the capitol christmas tree is he channeling tiny tim or scrooge. >> god bless us and everyone and from my family to yours, merry christmas. en i was in an accide. i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >>> revenues we're putting on the table will come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> let'
-class voters at the white house to press congress for tax hikes on the rich. >> i can only do it with the help of the american people, tweet using #my 2 k, e-mail, post it on a member of congress's facebook wall. do what it takes to communicate a sense of urgency. >> on the other side of pennsylvania avenue, john boehner says he thinks there is a way to avoid that cliff. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has, but i'm optimistic we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> and look who's coming to lunch. mitt romney will break bread with the president at the white house tomorrow. >> pledge of allegiance, anti-tax crusader grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan s
's on a roll. i think he thinks republicans gearing fold like a cheap suit on taxes and entitlements. i think ultimately he thinks they'll fold on susan rice, too. so my guess is, he nominates her, he thinks he's going to win, and emerges stronger. i'll just say this. if republicans want to take a position on susan rice, they better be prepared to think through the implications and not hand the president a victory that he doesn't deserve. >> greta: ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: now to the growing threat of the fiscal cliff. today on the senate floor, minority leader mitch mcconnell abusing president obama -- accusing president obama of being back on the campaign trail instead of working with lawmakers. have you seen anything to indicate that we are close to a resolution, or even moving in that direction? >> i haven't. it's hard to come to a resolution when one of the parties to that isn't around. the president, as you mentioned, is out on the campaign trail again. >> greta: you're referring to his trip this friday to pennsylvania. >> right. you've got to have presidentia
will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> reporter: the president wants congress to extend the bush tax rates for everyone making less than $250,000 but wants taxes to go up for everybody else, and will take the message to pennsylvania avenue on friday. not to be outdone on the pr front the house republicans hosted a group of nervous business leaders, who are pushing serious spending cuts to supplement expected tax hikes. >> i am hopeful, but wouldn't put me down anywhere near the optimistic category. we have a long way to go, very few days to get it done. >> reporter: in the first republican break inside the house, the oklahoma congressman tom cole endorsed the short-term approach. >> in my view, we all agree we won't raise the taxes on people making less than $250,000, we should take them out of the discussion right now. >> reporter: but the idea was quickly shut down. >> the goal is to grow the economy and cut spending. you won't grow the economy if you put tax rates on the top two rates. >> there was no serious discussion by the white house on entitle
it comes to taxes. as you all know by now house republicans sent in a fiscal cliff counter offer yesterday but the white house is calling it no good. i want to give you an idea of where the two sides stand right now. boehner's new plan would raise $2.2 trillion. now it would extend the bush tax cuts for everyone and yes that does include the top 2%. and it would instead raise $800 billion in revenue from so-called tax reform and that's what we mean when we talk about capping deductions and closing loopholes. the rest of the money comes from cuts to both mandatory and discretionary programs. now to recap again on the president's offer, he wants to raise $1.6 trillion, that's double boehner's amount on the rich an and he's asking for more than $200 billion in stimulus spending and promising about $400 billion worth of cuts to social programs. now obviously those two plans have very little in common. neither side is budging when it comes to their demands on taxes. but now here are a few problems with boehner's proposal.
for a package that includes tax rate increases for the wealthy. not to be outdone speaker boehner announced that house republicans would be making similar appearances across the country, going to small businesses to speak about the "threat to jobs posed by congressional democrats" small business tax hike. while members of congress plan to take their case to the american people, the afl-cio is planning to take the american people to members of congress sending 33 local union leaders to capitol hill to push members of congress to let the bush tax cuts expire and leave social security untouched. one positive to emerge from negotiations so far has been that for the first time in recent memory, republicans have expressed an openness to increased revenues which means the choke hold grover norquist and his tax pledge held on republicans may be loosening. frank bruni thinks republicans devolved into dummies and nor west was their ventriloquist. not everyone saw norquist as the cause of the problem. defending him truth is that
he thinks republicans are going to fold like a cheap suit on taxes and entitlements. i think ultimately he thinks they will fold on susan rice, too. my guess is, he nominates her. he thinks he is going to win and he emerges stronger. if republicans want to take a position on susan rice, they better be prepared to think through the implication and not hand the president a victory he doesn't deserve. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. senator john thune is here and joining us. >> good evening, greta. >> have you seen anything to indicate we are close to a resolution or moving in that direction? >> i haven't. it's hard to come to a resolution when one of the parties is not around. the president is on the campaign trail again -- >> you are referring to his trip on friday to pennsylvania? >> right. you have to have presidential leader help to do big things. that's what we need right now. obviously, republicans are ready to go to work, ready to solve the issue of the fiscal cliff. what the president wants to do, however, is to raise taxes on small businesses, almost 1 million small b
revert back to the same tax plan that we had when clinton was president. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the upper rates. and that's what the president suggested, it's up to them to come forward with something congressman from oklahoma said that the house should simply take up the bill that the democrats passed in the senate that would raise income taxes only on the top income tax brackets. another senior republican lawmaker who asked not to be identified this time told reuters that the democratic bill could pass in the house of representatives if john boehner would allow such a bill to be brought to the house floor for a vote. here is boehner speaking about the president earlier today. >> members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> speaker boehner doesn't want to propose spending cuts, so now he's trying to pressure the white house to do it. >> there's been no serious discussion of spending cuts
plan and what the white house proposed are stark when it comes to taxes. the gop calls for $800 million in new taxes. it's half of what the white house asked for. republicans to $67 billion. the gop plan changes how security benefits would be calculated. why he favors tax rates instead of eliminating deductions. not enough revenue. less revenue equals more cuts in education. republicans ruled that out saying the new revenue would not be achieved through higher tax rates which we continue to oppose. they were referring to an erskine bowles plan that he testified to in the fall of 2011. the white house made it clear that's a nonstarter and they won't even respond until the gop puts forth a plan that includes a tax rate hike. the obstacle continues to be republicans who hold out hope. millionaires and billionaires. while it sounds like the two sides are far apart, the budget numbers are not that far apart. the white house you get close. they say it lacks detail. doon pfeiffer says it does not say which loopholes they would close or savings they would achieve. if the president is rejecting
tax bracket as of yet. there's no mustard on there, is there? i'll see you in a little bit, mr. barnicle. thank you, john. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common grou
, is on middle class taxes. and as i've said before, we've got two choices. if congress does nothing, every family in america ll see their tacks automatically go up at the beginning of next year. starting january 1st, every family in america will see their taxes go up. a typical middle class family of four would see its income taxes go up by $2200. $2200 out of people's pockets. that means less money for buying grocery, less money for filling prescriptions, less money for buying diapers. it means a tougher choice between paying the rent and paying tuition and middle class families just can't afford that right now. by the way, businesses can't afford it either. yesterday i sat down with some small business owners who stressed this point. economists predict that if taxes go up on the middle class next year, consumers will spend nearly $200 billion lesson things like cars and clothes and furniture and that obviously means fewer customers, that cuts into business profits, that makes businesses less likely to invest and higher which means fewer jobs and that can drag our entire economy down. now
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